Zeusss
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« on: June 18, 2008, 01:12:59 PM » |
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Hi ! This is a suggestion that quite a few of our users have asked for...The possibility for the admin to verify ( authenticate ) the photos in the user profiles so that they can be sure that it is really that user's photo and NOT a photo taken anywhere on the net...especially when the users in question do not want to be on webcam on the site ( a lot of times because they hate being on webcam )... Some users put photos in their profile BUT nothing says it's really them...Those who will accept to be authenticated, the words USER AUTHENTICATED will appear in their profile and the other users will know for sure who they are talking to and show more interest and less doubt... In the admin page, there should be a place where we could check the words USER AUTHENTICATED when it is done...under MARK PROFILE AS FEATURED would be a great place ( just an example ) in the PROFILE SUMMARY... I think that on a website like ours where people want to meet each other, it is important for the users to know who they will meet...This would be a good way for them to be sure of who they choose to meet... Thanks !!  Zeusss |
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brusselsshrek
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2008, 01:39:50 PM » |
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It's not a bad idea. How though would admin "authenticate" a photo? Scan of passport/id card?
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Zeusss
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2008, 02:14:13 PM » |
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Just by asking them to open their webcam PRIVATELY ONLY with the admin...in a private room for instance or on the CHUPPO messenger ( The majority DOES own a webcam )...Of course their photo has to be of their face... We also authenticate without a webcam by asking another user who knows personnally the user to be authenticated ( a friend for example )...Of course the admin will have to know the user who does this and be sure the user is reliable...That is done when we really know him or her... There's a lot of ways to authenticate...during get-togethers ( partys where the admin could see certain users and authenticate them there ), by friends, and as i said at first by having them open their webcam PRIVATELY only with the admin...The only thing missing for my website is a way to indicate in the user's profile that the authentication was done.. Some users will accept, others will not...BUT those who accept will assure others of who they really are ( Physically of course ) and it would be indicated in their profile so the others would see they were authencicated...Those who refuse, well, they will leave a doubt BUT because they want to and that way nobody has to feel obligated to open their webcam if for example they hate it but are still serious to meet people... Sometimes they have a photo in their profile but are not on their webcam AT THAT MOMENT BUT if they're authenticated, the other users who view the profile are sure it's really them even without the webcam and will be less enclined to ignore the user in question or even to harass the user in question to have him or her open his or her webcam if he ( she ) doesn't want to or is not ready to do so... A lot of dating websites have the AUTHENTICATION function...and a lot of users find it's a great tool...Most users hate not being sure of who they are talking to... Zeusss |
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« Last Edit: June 18, 2008, 02:38:19 PM by Zeusss »
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brusselsshrek
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2008, 02:55:38 PM » |
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I like the idea.
I think it would be good to have some sort of (customisable) field where admin could specify how the verification was done: scan of id, webcam, etc.
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Harley
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2008, 06:39:16 PM » |
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... the next step up in a GREAT PRODUCT! GREAT IDEA!  I've seen this done a couple ways... the way I thought was easiest for people you've never meet personally was like this: A random number is sent to the users and they MUST take a photo with that number to AUTHENTICATE. The only trouble with that is it's 100% reliant on your admins being able to discern the difference between a crappy picture of someone and a picture of somebody holding a number. The photos are never used as part of the users' profiles unless of course the member want to upload that photo of themselves. |
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brusselsshrek
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2008, 06:32:08 AM » |
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Yes! Yes! Yes!  Hey Harley, I think that's a really neat trick!  And more and more, this sounds like a very useful feature, especially if it could be made mostly automatic. Here's what I think we need in SkaDate: - the number auto-generated by SkaDate (with admin being able to set the range, e.g. 10-100 or 1000-9999)
- the option for admin to make the "user with number" photos PUBLIC or PRIVATE. If public then both the number (which cannot be changed by the user) and the photo would be displayed somewhere on the visible profile. This would give other people the chance to judge too whether the number matched the photo, just in case the admin is blind! If private, then only admins can see the photo, and the user who has the number can see it.
- a special section for users to CRUD (Create, Read, Update, Delete) their number-photo
- a special "place" in profiles where the "user with number" photo is shown
- a flag which admin would set to judge whether the number matches the photo
- the ability for users to search for profiles which are "Verified" or not
- the ability for admins to configure whether we want to use this whole feature or not (there are always some party-poopers)!
What do you think Mr. SkaDate? |
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Adden
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 06:02:47 AM » |
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Hmm.... mixed impressions. What about if you will have 10000 members? Will you remember all of them? The suggestion with random numbers desn't give any guaranties that user will be authenticated. So if it doesn't, why do we need it? The only thing which can totally authenticate a user's photo is a webcam. But how many members do have webcams? Very very few of them So, in this case, only very small percent can be authenticated as a real member with real photos. Does it sound good? I think user must decide by himself how he wants to introduce himself on the site. If he doesn't want to upload real photos, this is his choice. And it isn't a good idea to force him to do it. ( You will force him to do it with "Auth photos" ) This is just my opinion guys. |
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brusselsshrek
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 06:24:28 AM » |
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Adden,
I don't understand what you're saying - I don't see the problems. If I have a million members it works. There is nothing to remember. I'll explain.
Every one of my million members has (say) a randomly and automatically generated 2 digit number (since I as admin said I'd like my random numbers to be between 10 and 99). This number is visible to the admin and the member who has that number, and (optionally) every other profile.
So, for example, sexyAndrea, has number 37.
She now has to take a picture of herself holding the number 37 and upload it to the special "user verification photo" section of her profile.
The admin can see a list of all profiles who are in "User verification photo" in "Awaiting verification" status. Maybe there are thousands. No problem.
Admin now goes through one-by-one each of these profiles and compares the photo the user has uploaded with the number which is assigned to them. In the sexyAndrea example, the admin sees the photo with her holding the number 37 and compares this with the number displayed in the "verification number" field. He sees that they are the same number, and checks the "Verified photo" checkbox.
No memory needed. No webcam needed.
Where's the problem?
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Adden
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 07:07:06 AM » |
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Yes, I see it now. Thanks for explanation brusselsshrek
In this this case the good idea is to set status "authenticated" for photo only. Not for profile.
Because if you have ever set this status for profile, everybody can upload "fake" photos later and still be "authenticated". What do you think?
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Harley
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 09:04:02 AM » |
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Almost there Adden! In fact you might try joining a couple of sites that DO authentcation just so you can understand how this procress works.
YES, you are 100% correct, (using brusselsshrek's example) if "sexyAndrea" sends a photo of herself with "37" that only validates that photo and doesn't stop her from uploading other photos of let's say the incomparable "Raquel Welch" and posting them on her profile.
Of course this would mean that she either is stating that SHE looks like "Raquel Welch" or that she likes that picture of "Raquel Welch" or maybe she thinks she LOOKS like "Raquel Welch", or let's even say she takes a picture of herself NAKED and posts it but the photo has her face blurred out. Or HELL, even if they "authenticate" successfully they could delete their photos now that they have the "AUTHENTICATION" status and upload different ones.
These examples are exceptions and any system can potentially be tricked. I think the REAL issue here isn't to try and make this wonderful suggestion 100% FOOL PROOF!
The majority of our members who are using our websites have legitimate reasons for wanting to "VERIFY" their identity. These good members are willing to submit to the "VERIFICATION" or "AUTHENTICATION" process to show other members they have taken that EXTRA STEP to proving they are who they claim to be...
I do suggest that the "Authentication" photo they submit be ONLY visible to the Administrator and not deletable by the Member since that would take away their "VERIFIED" or "AUTHENTICATED" status.
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Zeusss
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 01:20:19 PM » |
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There's multiple ways to athenticate the photos and on our website, nobody is forced to be authenticated...BUT the ones who are NOT authenticated, it will be their choice and their loss and the other users will know that the photo in their profile could be false...it will be their choice to believe it's real or not...The idea is only for the users who view the profiles to be able to SEE that this user WAS authenticated and it's really him or her that is on the photo...It's a plus for them in their search !
We personnally authenticate with the webcams ( You would be surprised to know how many DO own a webcam but don't want to open it in public )...It can be done directly in the chatroom OR PRIVATELY with the admin only WITHOUT the others seeing them on their webcam. Of course it's voluntary. Some who do not own a webcam can be authenticated by users ( that we know and can be trusted by the admin ) who know them personnally like friends for instance or even family... Some can be authenticated during a get-together ( party ) by the admin ( in our case the admin is always present )...
The way to authenticate the users is left to each admin of each website...
We don't want to be forced to use ONE way to authenticate the photos...Each website should find their own way to do it...The way to do it does'nt really matter...It's the result that matters..
What we're missing is the option in the admin pannel, PHOTO AUTHENTICATED, that would then appear in the users profile to indicate that it's done and for the other users viewing the profiles to see...Right now we're doing it manually...
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There should be a box, in the admin pannel in PROFILES, that would indicate the number of profiles authenticated and where we would have direct access to these profiles.
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In the user's profile in the admin pannel, under MARK PROFILE AS FEATURED, another line where it would be written PHOTO AUTHENTICATED and where there would be a check box beside it.
Once the admin has checked the box, automatically a message MEMBER AUTHENTICATED would appear in the user's profile.
In the actual skadate, when a user creates his profile, the title of their personnal message appears at 2 places in the same page on his profile. The title should stay where the personnal message appears at the bottom in the profile and replace the other title link that appears at the top of the profile on the right of the username by the AUTHENTICATION message instead.
I leave you with a print screen of what we are doing on our website at this moment as an example...
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Easton
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 04:19:35 PM » |
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I totally agree with Adden, this suggestion is NOT for 100% Free dating site who does very aggressive marketing and have 100's -1000's of sign ups per day. This suggestion is time consuming and hold up administration process. Who really have the time for members to authentiate photos lol think of it! Can you image if plentyoffish.com was using photo authentiation?
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Zeusss
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2008, 04:47:46 PM » |
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It's something that is realizable for a website like ours who wants their users to know who they are really talking to...We are doing it...just that right now we are doing it manually and in 3 months we have had 2500 users that have signed up... The function can be optionnal to the admin so you can decide IF you want to authenticate or not...I'm just asking for it to be there when the admin wants to use it for HIS website...You authenticate, you check USER AUTHENTICATED...You choose NOT to authenticate, you don't check the box...that's all. For those who want to do it, i'm just asking for the possibility to indicate in the profile that the authentication is done but automatically instead of manually. |
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Harley
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2008, 09:05:24 AM » |
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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2008, 11:57:13 AM » |
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Sounds like a good extension of security - we enforce a minimum size of 200 x 200 pixels in force so no one can just cut and paste thumbnails ... I welcome any improvement of this particular area of SKADATE the swing scene is full of time wasters and fakes - we try really hard to weed them out .. any tools gratefully received !!!!  |
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