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Harley
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« on: June 23, 2008, 08:24:41 AM »

This is an Idea I'd like to exchange with other site administrators.  Doesn't it sound odd that when they release a new version of the software and you get it installed if you find a "BUG" during the install that it will COST you to get the fix for it?
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2008, 05:52:37 PM »

This is an Idea I'd like to exchange with other site administrators.  Doesn't it sound odd that when they release a new version of the software and you get it installed if you find a "BUG" during the install that it will COST you to get the fix for it?
This does seem odd. Since I am very new and my site just went up a couple of months ago, I just found out about the new release of code. I asked SKADate if this was free to me and they said yes, but if they did it, it would be $250 and take 4 days. What is your experience with this? Did you upgrade it yourself and how hard was it? Did the upgrade wipe out all the stuff you had done to get your site where it needs to be. During the last 2 months, I have had to have them fix many problems and I have also changed some tab names and code behind them. Thanks for your help.

And yes, I do not understand why we have to pay for their mistakes.
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2008, 08:18:42 AM »

I don't think that we should discuss such things in “Ideas Exchange” section but I want to answer.

We provide our customers with paid support. And this information is given on www.skadate.com Moreover, once the software is purchased we grant 3 months of support service for free. So, during these three months a customer can get in touch with us any time and ask about different things on the system and its settings.

And it’s up only to you to get paid support or not. The job should be paid. How do you think will you get a great support if it is free? There is a bulk of softwares with free “lifelong” support and the support is provided once a week. Great Free Support!

If a customer comes with a problem or error report and does not have the support service paid our support operators anyway try to help. If a customer finds software error we fix it for free of charge.
 
Well, Harley, I should say that you are quite wrong. I just reviewed the ticket submitted by you. By the way, you did not pay for the support service. You asked to help you with the site update that you started on your own. At the same day the support operator provided you with the detailed instructions and explained the way to go. Did we ask you to pay for the support service up front and refuse to help you?

It is quite difficult to update any software written in PHP. PHP is an open code language and anyone can change it just in the way he needs. What is the update process? The system compares the files of the latest revision with the revision used on the site. The following lists of files are generated on the basis of comparison done:

the list of files that should be merged with each other (files with the custom code modification);
the list of added files;
the list of reweighted files;
and the list of files that should be deleted.

The list of files that should be merged with each other includes a bulk of files that a programmer manually merges at the same time trying to save all custom code changes made. This update saves all custom changes and settings done.

So, as you see, one should be skilled in PHP and be really assiduous to get the files merged successfully.   
Sometimes it takes a week to update the website without any errors made and database loss.

Once the process of files comparison is finished the database is updated and all new changes are applied by running the script.

Thanks
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2008, 08:24:57 AM »

emastermater, I'm probably the most vocal on this board about how frustrating it is to deal with this company.  Don't get me wrong, they do appear to be trying but maybe it's because I'm self-hosted and they don't make any money off me?  I'm just guessing why I seem to have more troubles with SKADATE their customer service than most... 

Yes, I've always done my own upgrades. All my previous UPGRADES had about a 4 out of 10 level of difficulty and after debugging them myself the rest of it went pretty smoothly.  But this upgrade to the newest version is fraught with bugs, issues and complications.  Oh and don't even THINK that the manuals (written in poor English) are going to be of any assistance.  Even when they do update the manuals they may not be correct.

 
The Update Manual has been updated. Now you can download it from the CA.

I'll provide you an example:  I will submit a request for the MySQL table formats for the newest version as of this posting and show you the response I get.  Date: Tuesday June 24th, 2008 at 7:20 AM
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 08:32:54 AM »

Adden,
I strongly disagree with you my friend. 

If the software you provide has bugs are you saying that you shouldn't provide tech support for it unless we pay? 

I've done your updates before and have managed to get them installed without your assistance in the past.  But there is something wrong with 802.  Let me ask you a question... and feel free to EDIT out anything you feel is not appropriate to have on here:

Assuming I'm at V569 and want to go to V802. The FROM_XXX_to_YYY doesn't exist for V569 so I had to go back to 6v495_to_6v582 and THEN from 6v582_to_6v802.  Why don't you have a V569_to_802?
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2008, 11:10:54 AM »

Doesn't it sound odd that when they release a new version of the software and you get it installed if you find a "BUG" during the install that it will COST you to get the fix for it?

Actually, I don't think that's quite the way it is.  If you buy a particular version of the software (e.g. version 6), you have the right to all the new builds (with bug fixes) free.  It's only if you choose to have SkaDate do the upgrade work, then you have to pay for that. 

I think that's reasonable.

It's a business model that works for SkaDate, and I think it's explained clearly enough on the prices page (http://www.skadate.com/prices.php). 

I was actually very pleasantly surprised that the "May" (ahem!) version is actually free to me, since I have bought version 6, and I thought I was going to have to pay $195 version upgrade (my mistake, but when I reread the prices page, I was very happy  Grin).  So well done SkaDate, big bunch of new function for free.  And I think that the amount of support I get for $50 a month is really excellent; I certainly wouldn't like to try and buy as much support as I get for that price.  So well done SkaDate, your software and pricing rocks!   Grin

In the end, you can find all sorts of price per code&support models, from "completely free" to "completely custom and very costly".  I personally think that that SkaDate has found a pretty good middle ground.  Tongue

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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2008, 01:20:20 PM »

Yes Brusselsshrek, I totally agree with you! 

you have the right to all the new builds (with bug fixes) free.  It's only if you choose to have SkaDate do the upgrade work, then you have to pay for that.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2008, 05:56:54 PM »

NONESENSE, i dont support that. How can someone pay to fix problems created by the company?
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2008, 06:09:22 PM »

Prices for support should Exclude Bugs Report/Errors. These are problems of company/product.
In my case, for example. I host with Skadate. I pay Skadate for installation and i am finding problems caused during installation and Bugs issues.

Skadate should clearly define the term "Support". I am NOT prepared to pay for Bugs Report/Errors.

Easton
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2008, 07:30:43 PM »

i've been a customer of skalfa since 2006 and my experiences have always been curteous, professional and prompt. i realize that there is a time difference between the u.s. and their offices overseas but i get my tickets addressed and fixed within a reasonable amount of time and i have to say KUDOS! to Emil and his team.
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2008, 02:38:25 AM »

Easton,

You are given the upgrade version with the bug fixes free.  It's only when you want them quicker than that or you want Skalfa to do the upgrade work for you that you have to pay.

I don't see that this is a lot different from most software.

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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2008, 03:52:32 PM »

OK, thanks for the explanation....

Lets see how long would it take to fix my current bugs  Wink!!

Easton
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